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Primobolan info.

What is Primo?
Primobolan (also known as Primo) is the common name given to the drug Methenolone Enanthate. It is an injectable steroid that is rather mild in nature when compared to other anabolic steroids (AS), and is generally seen as a more steroid more anabolic in nature rather than an androgenic one. Primo also comes in an oral form called Methenolone Acetate, however due to the non-alkylation of the methenolone in this form, it is not realistically a very useful drug for the male bodybuilder as the liver will mostly destroy the methenolone acetate ingested.

Properties of Primo
Primo is quite a unique steroid of which there are no other steroids quite like it. Firstly, Primo does not aromatise to estrogen, thus estrogen related side-effects are not seen in Primo use. This means that acne, water retention, gyno, etc, are all not concerns when using Primo. Thus primo becomes a very useful steroid for those who are easily prone to undesirable side effects such as acne and gyno. Due to the low water retention seen in its use, Primo is often used effectively when cutting. It is not only effective when cutting due to low/nil water retention, bit it also proves very useful when cutting due to its anabolic nature and nitrogen retention properties, which basically means that it holds onto muscle very well when in a calorie deficient mode as one would be when cutting.

Many claim Primo to be side-effect free, except for experiencing slow but steady, quality and retainable muscle gains when on it for longer periods of time (>8weeks). Due to lack of water retention, etc, the gains you see on Primo will be quality muscle gains. Gains on Primo are easily kept, however although Primo is not as harsh on your HPTA (hypothalamus-pituitary-testes axis) it will shut you down. Do not make the mistake of thinking that post cycle therapy (PCT) can be avoided with Primo use, because this is not the case. Recovery should be easier from Primo than most other AS, but proper PCT of Nolvadex and/or Clomid will be necessary.

Primo for many does not generally affect one’s libido; however for some it lowers it if used in a cycle without test. Usually I find that this is the case with heavier users of gear, i.e. those that use larger amounts of test and/or stay on AS for longer periods of time. In such cases, if test is not used in the cycle with Primo, appropriate meds such as Viagra, Cialis, etc may be needed on hand in case of libido problems. However as said, for most recreational AS users, loss of libido generally is not a problem with Primo.

Cycle and dosing info for Primo
Although Primo is a quality steroid, as said it is rather week. Also due to the fact that it contains (in injectable form) an enanthate ester, anything under 400mg per week is rather a pointless use of Primo and a waste of money. Generally with AS, more does not always mean better (due to side-effects and other issues), however in the case of Primo more does definitely equal better. If stacking Primo with testosterone, 400-800mg per week will be an effective dose, with obviously the higher doses being the most effective. Primo will have two main effects in such a stack. Firstly it will seem to amplify the effects of test, so 500mg of test enanthate may seem like 750mg or more. Secondly, Primo is very forgiving with one’s diet. Quality muscle can still be obtained at a steady rate even with one’s diet being off from time to time. However, with a spot-on diet, Primo and test will work wonders.

For those who would want to use Primo on its own or without test, you would really need to use a minimum of 600-800mg per week. If you can afford it, 1000mg per week of Primo will highly reward the user. Some people often ask about using Primo with Trenbolone. This can be done, however without test one must realise that you are likely to be quite shut down, and it is likely you would need some sex medicines as well as HCG. Despite this, for those that want a test-less cycle, Primo and Tren is a great cutting cycle. My ultimate cutting cycle however is one that incorporates Primo, Test Prop and Tren Acetate. Another very good cutting cycle that is test-free would be Primo (600-1000mg per week) with Anavar (60-80mg per day).

Due to the enanthate ester that is attached to the Methenolone base in Primo, it really should not be run for less than 8 weeks. In my opinion, I would run Primo for a minimum of 12 weeks, also bearing in mind that the Primo really kicks in at about weeks 5-6, where a real fullness of muscles is experienced. Primo is also useful at a high dose for those who use higher doses of test and experience appetite loss from this. Primo doesn’t cause such appetite loss, thus when bulking this can give a chance for diet to be spot-on. Primo does suppress and shut you down as said, however it is roughly about half as suppressive as test, so a 12 week Primo cycle would shut you down similar to a 6 week test cycle. For this reason, Primo alone can be run up to 20 weeks without fear of a very difficult recovery in PCT.

Due to the enanthate ester, PCT should be run approximately 14-18days after last Primo injection.

Here are some example Primo cycles:

1) Test-free cycles

  • Primo 600-800mg pw weeks 1-12; Anavar 60mg ed weeks 1-8
  • Primo 600-800mg pw weeks 1-12; Tren Ace 75mg eod weeks 1-6
  • Primo 800mg pw weeks 1-12; Masteron 400-600mg pw weeks 1-14
  • Primo 1000mg per week up to 20 weeks (expensive)

2) Primo cycles with Test

  • Primo 600mg pw weeks 1-12; Test enanthate 500mg pw weeks 1-12
  • Primo 600mg pw weeks 1-12; Test prop 100mg eod weeks 1-14; Tren enanthate 300-400mg pw weeks 1-10 (Superb cutting cycle for advanced user)

There are many other different cycles you could do; these are just a few examples. Generally, the amount of Primo you will use in the cycle will be down to how much you can afford, and how many injections you mind doing. As said though, generally with Primo, the more you can do, the better, but a minimum amount would have to be no less than 400mg/week.

Legitimate Primo
The best Primo money can buy (as is the general rule with any AS) is pharmaceutical grade Primo. By this I do not mean underground lab set-ups that use pharma-grade procedures, but rather pharmaceutically produced AS. Primo originally came made by Schering, in amps of 100mg, one amp per box. Due to the high cost of Primo however, these soon became faked, and along with Viromone are probably the heaviest faked product on the AS market. It is extremely hard to get legit Primo, and harder to be able to spot the real Schering from the fakes. However, if you do get legit Schering Primo, it is the best that money can buy.

Due to Primo being heavily faked, it is likely that you would want to use an underground lab’s Primo. I can only speak from my own experience and those I know and trust, and so can certainly say that British Dragon (BD) Primobol 100 is a solid and trusted product, and although BD products are faked, a good source will always have access to legit BD Primo. There are other good UGL set-ups who also make Primo, and in the Testosterone & Other Steroids forum of MuscleTalk, moderators such as BBigman2000 have posted a few names of underground labs that he and other trusted people have used and know the lab set-up of, of which several will make Primo.

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Dennis Hallman has been fighting professionally since 1997. His 41 victories include two wins over Matt Hughes, but Hallman’s overall UFC record is just 1-5.

Also during the upcoming Inside MMA show, a UFC Hall of Famer admits taking steroids during his career, HDNet says.

UFC so far has inducted six fighters into its Hall of Fame. Its inaugural members, Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock, tested positive for banned substances while fighting for other organizations in California. Both men denied taking steroids, but neither appealed the one-year suspensions that were handed down.

Hall of Fame fighters who have not tested positive: Dan Severn; Randy Couture; Mark Coleman; Chuck Liddell.

Best moment to take steroids.

gp-test-cyp-250This is the question each bodybuilder has to answer. However the answer is simple in the same time there are many factors which should be taken into account.

1.First thing is your age. If you do not have at least 22 years do not even think about steroids.

2. Second thing is your experience. If you have not trained at least 3 years naturally then it is still not the time for steroids. The idea is that you must get maximum of your genetics after which you can start taking steroids to move to another level.

3. You must have progress without steroids. If during your years of training you have not experienced good growth it means you do not know a lot about your body, training and nutrition so do your homework and when you will add at least 12Kgs of muscles without steroids then move to another step.

4. Knowledge. By this I mean you must know what you are taking and why. For this you must read a lot use forums and talk to experienced people.

When all these points are ok you can start your first cycle.

Good luck!

Stacking steroids for newbies.

gp-stan-10INTRO:
So you want to create the perfect cycle for yourself. So how do you go about this? Well there’s a lot of things you need to know before you can sit down and create yourself a perfect cycle.

The most important thing you need to know is what your EXACT goals are for THIS cycle. From here you can figure out exactly what steroids are right for you and at what dosages.

BASICS:
So what about steroids, ancillaries, and other drugs do you need to know? You need to know the basics of the most popular drugs available.

Steroids:
-Testosterone (Enan, Cyp, Prop, Sust, Omna)/Test
-Deca-Durabolin/Deca
-Equipose/EQ
-Dianabol/D-bol
-Winstrol/Winny
-Anadrol/Drol
-Halotestin/Halo
-Anavar/Var
-Tren/Fina
-Primobolan/Primo

Ancillaries:
-Nolvadex/Nolva (Tamoxifen)
-Arimidex/Arim (Anastrozole)
-Femera/Fem (Letrozole)
-Aromasin (Exemestane)
-Clomid
-HCG
-Proviron (technically a steroid, but oft considered an ancillary)
-Finasteride/Proscar
-Bromocriptine/Bromo

Other BBing/Performance Enhancing Drugs:
-Clenbuterol/Clen
-Cytomel/Cynomel/T3
-DNP
-Insulin/Slin
-Human Growth Hormone/hGH/GH
-EPO

There are of course many other types of steroids, ancillaries and sports enhancing drugs, but they are extremely rare. I won’t go into a full discussion about each of the drugs above, but will just list properties of the drugs and state which steroids have those properties.

- Large Mass Steroids: Test, Deca, Drol, D-bol and to a lesser extent: EQ, Primo
- Strength Steroids: Test, Drol, D-bol, Tren and to a lesser extent: Halo, Var
- Steroids that have low/no aromatization: Drol, EQ, Primo, Halo, Var, Tren, Winny
- Steroids that raise red blood cell count: EQ, Drol and to a lesser extent: most others
-Low -Lean Mass Steroids: Winny, Halo, Var, Tren -
- Steroids with direct fat-burning properties: Test, Tren, Var -Mostly Androgenic Steroids: Halo, Methyltest
- Mostly Anabolic Steroids: Deca, EQ, Primo, Winny, Var
- Highly Anabolic Androgens: D-bol, Drol, Tren
- Mostly even Androgenic/Anabolic Steroids: Test
- Steroid most likely to cause aggression: Tren
- Liver Toxic Steroids: D-bol, Winny, Drol, Halo, Methyltest, Var
- Short Acting Steroids: Test Prop, D-bol, Winny, Drol, Halo, Var, Tren
- Long Acting Steroids: Test Enan, Test Cyp, Deca, EQ, Primo, Sust, Omna
- Progestins: Deca, Anadrol
- Prolactins: Tren
- Acts like an estrogen: Anadrol
- Anti-Progestin: Winny* (anecdotal evidence)
- Drugs for Mass (excluding AAS): Slin
- Drugs for Strength (excluding AAS): Slin, GH
- Anti-Aromatases: Arimidex, Femera, Aromasin, Proviron
- Anti-Estrogens: Nolvadex, Clomid
- Anti-Androgens: Finasteride
- Fat Burners: Clen, T3, DNP, GH
- Anti-Prolactin: Bromo
- Stimulates LH release: HCG -Aids HPTA recovery: Clomid, Nolva, GH
- Drugs that increase red-blood cell count (excluding AAS): EPO, GH
- Drugs that raise IGF-1 (excluding oral AAS): Slin, GH

THEORY:
Ok so now that you know what drugs do what, we can begin to discuss what properties a cycle should have. From there we can begin to see how these drugs can be combined to form a “stack.” The idea behind the stack is to create a synergy between the drugs involved to give an effect that’s greater than the sum of the parts.

Mass Cycles:
These are cycles were all out mass is required. Here we give no consideration to fat gain, water gain or any of that stuff. We are just looking to pack on as much muscle as possible (don’t forget, water and fat are GOOD for muscle gains).

To get all out mass, we need to attack our system from all angles. We need steroids that are highly androgenic and highly anabolic. We need steroids that are known to pack on a lot of mass. In general, steroids that do not aromatize, do not activate the AR and do not pack on a lot of mass aren’t needed. For injectables we would rather have long acting esters than short ones, as the long acting esters tend to pool up in your blood and generally leave you with more hormone at any given point. For orals we prefer those that either aromatize heavily, or cause an explosion of mass by similar estrogenic properties. The use of orals is mainly to kick off the mass cycle, gives you near instant results and puts your body in a good anabolic state when the long acting esters kick in.

With all that said the best steroids for mass are: Test Enan, Test Cyp, Deca, D-bol and Drol. Advanced users can also use things like Insulin and GH.

Cutting Cycles:
Realize that with the exception of Test, Tren and Anavar, no steroid has a direct impact on fat burning. Even Test, Tren and Var have limited effects on fat burning. You shouldn’t go into a cutting cycle with the mindset of “These steroids are going to help me loose fat.” Instead you should think of the steroids as muscle sparring. Basically you’re using them to preserve the muscle that you have, while cardio and your true fat burners (like Clen, DNP and T3) work on the fat. All steroids listed above meet the first requirement; they will all help you retain muscle in a calorie deficient diet. However, if you are cutting you certainly do not want your steroids to be in the way either. Some steroids (drol) actually make it harder to loose fat. Others can bloat you up so bad that even with a low body fat percentage, most of your definition can be lost. So what we need here is steroids that are more androgenic than anabolic. We need steroids that have direct fat burning properties and steroids that do not aromatize heavily. If we do use a long acting ester, we would prefer to use one that doesn’t aromatize heavily, if the injectable does aromatize significantly, we would prefer to use a short acting ester as short acting esters don’t pool up, and an anti-aromatase would be a good idea.

Best fat burners: Clen and T3. Advanced users may also use DNP and GH

Best steroids for cutting: Test Prop, EQ, Primo, Tren, Winny, Halo, Proviron, Var

Sports/Performance Enhancing Cycles:
Now I can’t claim that I know what’s really best for a non-bodybuilding athlete. But I can take a guess and you guys that do participate in sports can probably figure it out given my explanations.

First let’s look at sports that require strength without increased mass. Obviously any “mass builder” is out the door. Any steroid that aromatizes heavily is not desirable here, as the extra water will certainly make you put on weight. Your best drugs for this purpose would be: Halo, Winny, Var and GH. If you can afford a few extra pounds (like in the offseason or what not), Tren would also be a good steroid.

Now let’s look at cycles for sports that require endurance. As we’ve discussed before, some steroids increase red blood cell count significantly; this equals better endurance performance. The best drugs to use for this purpose are EQ, GH and EPO. Because EPO can have such a drastic effect on red blood cell count, it is NOT recommended that you use it along with steroids.

POST-CYCLE THERAPY (PCT):
When you use any steroid, your HPTA will be suppressed. What this means is that your system is not producing any endogenous testosterone, which means you won’t have any hormone to help maintain your gains. What good is a cycle if you can’t keep your gains? So the key to cycling is to get your endogenous test back on track ASAP.

One thing that will hinder HPTA activation is excess estrogen, whether it is from aromatizable steroids used in your cycle or whether it be endogenous estrogen. Using anti-estrogens like Clomid and Nolva will help prevent this negative feedback.

When your body sends out LH (leutinizing hormone), it signals your testicles to begin producing test again. During your cycle, LH release will be suppressed and will remain suppressed for a few weeks after your cycle. HCG mimics LH and helps your testicles start producing testosterone. For our purposes we should view HCG as a “bridge” between your cycle and the time your LH returns to normal function. However, HCG when used to heavily or for too long will actually suppress natural test production so it can be counter productive.

Different cycles will suppress your HPTA to different degrees. Cycles including Deca and Fina will be more suppressive than cycles including Var and Primo. I don’t have the energy to design a post cycle therapy for each cycle, so I will post here a post cycle therapy program that should help you recover from any sane and sensible cycle.

Before we outline the universal post-cycle therapy, we need to define when a cycle officially ends. If you are using long acting esters, your cycle ends 2-3 weeks after you take your last shot of the long ester (I wont explain why, just accept it). If you are using ONLY short acting steroids OR your last shot of long acting steroids was over 3 weeks ago, and the only thing you’ve been running since then is short acting steroids, then your cycle officially ends the last day of administration of your steroids.

So given that, here is the universal post-cycle recovery program:

HCG
2 Weeks Before End of Cycle: HCG @ 1500IUs 3 times a week
1 Week Before End of Cycle: HCG @ 1500IUs 3 times a week
First Week Post-Cycle: HCG @ 1500IUs 2 times a week

Clomid
Day 1 Post Cycle: Clomid @ 300mg
Days 2-14: Clomid @ 100mg ED
Days 15-28: Clomid @ 50mg ED

Nolva
Days 1-28: Nolva @ 20mg ED

More advanced users can also experiment.

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