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Test Suspension.

Testosterone Suspension is an injectable hormone in a water base that was developed and used for decades and is actually the first anabolic, androgenic steroid used. For the purpose of building mass, Testosterone Suspension has never been surpassed since it was first developed in the 1930´s. Many underground labs also suspend this product in propylene glycol or oil as well (which makes for a very painful injection). It has no ester attached; therefore no ester is calculated into the weight. This is extremely beneficial to the user since 100mg of testosterone suspension will yield 100mg of testosterone unlike the other esterfied testosterones such as (for example) testosterone enanthate which only yields 72mg of actual testosterone per 100mg of total weight. Testosterone suspension considerably raises the storing of glycogen in the muscle cells and because it is dissolved in water it becomes effective immediately. Also making it different from other esterfied hormones is that it only keeps sustained and elevated testosterone levels for 2-3 days due to its micro-crystal design. This forces the user to inject on a daily basis, with better results coming from twice-three time a day use due to its short active-life with the effective dose ranging from 350-1000mg per week (50-140mg/day). One should practice site rotation and should practice injecting in the same spot only once per week at most. It should be noted that test suspension is usually a very painful shot, so it is often cut with something else, such as B-12, or other steroids. And yes, you can mix a water based steroid with an oil based steroid in the same syringe. It looks like a lava lamp, and you can use it as a level if you are building something, but no, there´s no problems with injecting a mixture like this.

Note that due to the water base (though, not an issue if using a product suspending in propylene glycol or oil) the testosterone will most likely settle to the bottom of the vial and that shaking the vial is needed in order to insure even dosing. This is true for all water based steroid suspensions.

As was noted before, testosterone can be considered one of the most powerful mass builders and testosterone suspension can be considered one of the most powerful of the testosterones simply due to the fact that it has no attached ester. This means that you are getting 100mgs of Test per 100mgs you inject; Suspension is the only version of Testosterone that can boast that claim. A growing reason why many athletes are choosing to use testosterone suspension instead of enanthate or other forms (besides the fact that it has a higher amount of pure testosterone resulting in greater results) is that it may be responsible for localized growth at the site inject like winstrol. Most athletes will also only use this form of testosterone in a bulking cycle as it is usually accompanied by high water retention, severe bloat, adipose storage, and gynomastia. This product also has a high level of aromitization into estrogen and coverts to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) as well. Of course, adding endogenous testosterone to your body will result in the shutting down of your own exogenous testosterone levels, as well as the hormones secreted which cause testosterone to be secreted by your testes.

Testosterone is many times not used by women because male secondary sex characteristics may start to appear in female users. However, testosterone suspension will allow women to site-inject and help problem areas common in women such as calves and inner thighs, and can be used in small enough doses, clearing the system quickly if sides develop, that some women use choose to use it. This advantage also means that one can pass a drug test a couple of days after the last injection. This is a great advantage to athletes who will be tested and still want the benefits of a mass drug which can not be tested for easily….many other forms of testosterone (such as Cyp or Enanth) can take 3 months to become undetectable.

As far as results of the cycle, one should be very happy with the results as so far as the diet and training regimen are good. As I previously stated, testosterone is a highly anabolic and androgenic hormone, it has an anabolic (muscle building) rating of 100, making it a good drug to use if one is in pursuit of more size and strength. And if you aren´t in pursuit of more size and strength, then why would you be reading this, right? Well, let´s get on with it and look at exactly what makes testosterone a good mass builder. Firstly, testosterone promotes nitrogen retention in the muscle(2) the more nitrogen the muscles holds the more protein the muscle stores. Testosterone can also increase the levels of another anabolic hormone, IGF-1, in muscle tissue(3). Testosterone also has the amazing ability to increase the activity of satellite cells(4). These cells play a very active role in repairing damaged muscle. Testosterone also binds to the androgen receptor to promote A.R dependant mechanisms for both muscle gain as well as fat loss.(5) Testosterone significantly increases the concentrations of the A. R in cells which are critical for muscle repair and growth.(4, 6 ). Testosterone induces changes in shape and size of your muscle fibres, and also can change the actual appearance and the number of muscle fibres(7). Also of note to both bodybuilders and athletes is that many anabolic/androgenic steroids (like testosterone susprnsion, in this case) can also protect your hard earned muscle from the catabolic (muscle wasting) glucocorticoid hormones(8) that your body employs to maintain homeostasis. In addition, Testosterone has the added ability to increase red blood cell production(9), and a higher RBC count may improve endurance via better oxygenated blood. More RBCs can also improve recovery from strenuous physical activity, and this has obvious benefits for the hard training bodybuilder or athlete. As with 99% of other steroids, Testosterones´ anabolic/androgenic effects are dose dependant, the higher the dose the higher the muscle building effect(10).

Testosterone suspension is best run for at least 8 weeks and depending on the experience of the user one may choose to runs for much longer. Since this hormone is primarily used by more advanced users other drugs are usually incorporated into the cycle. One should opt for other mass drugs such as dianabol and deca-durabolin since the goal of this cycle will most likely be and should be for mass. The user should expect to see rapid muscle growth, water retention, and possibly extra fat deposits. Some athletes will also choose to inject Suspension before a workout or competition (this would increase aggression, and would be especially important for MMA competitors, or those in a sport where aggression is a benefit). I´ve used it for this purpose and found it to be very useful. Many pther athletes will also use it solely for this purpose….every day (painful) shots are just not much fun for a typical 12 week cycle. It is for this reason that most people who use this drug employ it pre-workout and/or competition, and not much more often. A mere 100mgs pre-workout or competition is sufficient, and would benefit competitive athletes greatly enough to justify it´s inclusion during an in-season-cycle.

Lastly, you should be paying roughly $50 for a 10cc bottle of 100mgs/ml from any reputable Underground Lab.

Primobolan info.

What is Primo?
Primobolan (also known as Primo) is the common name given to the drug Methenolone Enanthate. It is an injectable steroid that is rather mild in nature when compared to other anabolic steroids (AS), and is generally seen as a more steroid more anabolic in nature rather than an androgenic one. Primo also comes in an oral form called Methenolone Acetate, however due to the non-alkylation of the methenolone in this form, it is not realistically a very useful drug for the male bodybuilder as the liver will mostly destroy the methenolone acetate ingested.

Properties of Primo
Primo is quite a unique steroid of which there are no other steroids quite like it. Firstly, Primo does not aromatise to estrogen, thus estrogen related side-effects are not seen in Primo use. This means that acne, water retention, gyno, etc, are all not concerns when using Primo. Thus primo becomes a very useful steroid for those who are easily prone to undesirable side effects such as acne and gyno. Due to the low water retention seen in its use, Primo is often used effectively when cutting. It is not only effective when cutting due to low/nil water retention, bit it also proves very useful when cutting due to its anabolic nature and nitrogen retention properties, which basically means that it holds onto muscle very well when in a calorie deficient mode as one would be when cutting.

Many claim Primo to be side-effect free, except for experiencing slow but steady, quality and retainable muscle gains when on it for longer periods of time (>8weeks). Due to lack of water retention, etc, the gains you see on Primo will be quality muscle gains. Gains on Primo are easily kept, however although Primo is not as harsh on your HPTA (hypothalamus-pituitary-testes axis) it will shut you down. Do not make the mistake of thinking that post cycle therapy (PCT) can be avoided with Primo use, because this is not the case. Recovery should be easier from Primo than most other AS, but proper PCT of Nolvadex and/or Clomid will be necessary.

Primo for many does not generally affect one’s libido; however for some it lowers it if used in a cycle without test. Usually I find that this is the case with heavier users of gear, i.e. those that use larger amounts of test and/or stay on AS for longer periods of time. In such cases, if test is not used in the cycle with Primo, appropriate meds such as Viagra, Cialis, etc may be needed on hand in case of libido problems. However as said, for most recreational AS users, loss of libido generally is not a problem with Primo.

Cycle and dosing info for Primo
Although Primo is a quality steroid, as said it is rather week. Also due to the fact that it contains (in injectable form) an enanthate ester, anything under 400mg per week is rather a pointless use of Primo and a waste of money. Generally with AS, more does not always mean better (due to side-effects and other issues), however in the case of Primo more does definitely equal better. If stacking Primo with testosterone, 400-800mg per week will be an effective dose, with obviously the higher doses being the most effective. Primo will have two main effects in such a stack. Firstly it will seem to amplify the effects of test, so 500mg of test enanthate may seem like 750mg or more. Secondly, Primo is very forgiving with one’s diet. Quality muscle can still be obtained at a steady rate even with one’s diet being off from time to time. However, with a spot-on diet, Primo and test will work wonders.

For those who would want to use Primo on its own or without test, you would really need to use a minimum of 600-800mg per week. If you can afford it, 1000mg per week of Primo will highly reward the user. Some people often ask about using Primo with Trenbolone. This can be done, however without test one must realise that you are likely to be quite shut down, and it is likely you would need some sex medicines as well as HCG. Despite this, for those that want a test-less cycle, Primo and Tren is a great cutting cycle. My ultimate cutting cycle however is one that incorporates Primo, Test Prop and Tren Acetate. Another very good cutting cycle that is test-free would be Primo (600-1000mg per week) with Anavar (60-80mg per day).

Due to the enanthate ester that is attached to the Methenolone base in Primo, it really should not be run for less than 8 weeks. In my opinion, I would run Primo for a minimum of 12 weeks, also bearing in mind that the Primo really kicks in at about weeks 5-6, where a real fullness of muscles is experienced. Primo is also useful at a high dose for those who use higher doses of test and experience appetite loss from this. Primo doesn’t cause such appetite loss, thus when bulking this can give a chance for diet to be spot-on. Primo does suppress and shut you down as said, however it is roughly about half as suppressive as test, so a 12 week Primo cycle would shut you down similar to a 6 week test cycle. For this reason, Primo alone can be run up to 20 weeks without fear of a very difficult recovery in PCT.

Due to the enanthate ester, PCT should be run approximately 14-18days after last Primo injection.

Here are some example Primo cycles:

1) Test-free cycles

  • Primo 600-800mg pw weeks 1-12; Anavar 60mg ed weeks 1-8
  • Primo 600-800mg pw weeks 1-12; Tren Ace 75mg eod weeks 1-6
  • Primo 800mg pw weeks 1-12; Masteron 400-600mg pw weeks 1-14
  • Primo 1000mg per week up to 20 weeks (expensive)

2) Primo cycles with Test

  • Primo 600mg pw weeks 1-12; Test enanthate 500mg pw weeks 1-12
  • Primo 600mg pw weeks 1-12; Test prop 100mg eod weeks 1-14; Tren enanthate 300-400mg pw weeks 1-10 (Superb cutting cycle for advanced user)

There are many other different cycles you could do; these are just a few examples. Generally, the amount of Primo you will use in the cycle will be down to how much you can afford, and how many injections you mind doing. As said though, generally with Primo, the more you can do, the better, but a minimum amount would have to be no less than 400mg/week.

Legitimate Primo
The best Primo money can buy (as is the general rule with any AS) is pharmaceutical grade Primo. By this I do not mean underground lab set-ups that use pharma-grade procedures, but rather pharmaceutically produced AS. Primo originally came made by Schering, in amps of 100mg, one amp per box. Due to the high cost of Primo however, these soon became faked, and along with Viromone are probably the heaviest faked product on the AS market. It is extremely hard to get legit Primo, and harder to be able to spot the real Schering from the fakes. However, if you do get legit Schering Primo, it is the best that money can buy.

Due to Primo being heavily faked, it is likely that you would want to use an underground lab’s Primo. I can only speak from my own experience and those I know and trust, and so can certainly say that British Dragon (BD) Primobol 100 is a solid and trusted product, and although BD products are faked, a good source will always have access to legit BD Primo. There are other good UGL set-ups who also make Primo, and in the Testosterone & Other Steroids forum of MuscleTalk, moderators such as BBigman2000 have posted a few names of underground labs that he and other trusted people have used and know the lab set-up of, of which several will make Primo.

Primobolan Injectable.

Primobolan is an anabolic steroid which became very popular once it was claimed that it was one of Arnold’s favorites. I’m not really sure why this is, or how likely it is that Arnold went around telling everyone’s favorite steroid- but nonetheless, this rumor has persisted through the years.

When we take a critical look at it, in terms of its anabolic and androgenic rating, it appears to be a pretty weak steroid but is rated as stronger than Masteron (Drostanolone)! I’ve used both steroids and can tell you that not too many people would claim that those ratings provide an accurate idea of those two steroids compare to each other. In truth, I used Primobolan at 400mgs/week and wasn’t very impressed with it, and honestly, for the money, that’s really disappointing, since Primobolan is not inexpensive. I also would speculate that the reason many (male) Primobolan users have been less than thrilled with results from it is that they failed to use high enough doses. If I were to use it again (which I won’t), I would probably use 100mgs/ED (Every Day).

Interestingly, Primobolan has a relatively high affinity for binding to the Androgen Receptor, and surprisingly it actually binds with more affinity than testosterone (1). This ability to strongly bind to the AR may be why Primobolan is considered a good fat burner- although most Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) derivations are very potent fat burners (the notable exception being Anadrol).

Primobolan has been used medically to reduce breast tumors, with a success rate of about a third (2), so we can safely assume that no Anti-Estrogen products would be necessary. The use of Finasteride, Dutesteride, or another anti-hair-loss product may be useful, however, as Primobolan has a bad reputation for causing Alopecia.

Primobolan is very useful as both an anabolic as well as anti-catabolic agent, and the probable cause for this property is its ability to aid in nitrogen retention (3), which is a useful trait on both a bulking or cutting cycle…once again, I have to reiterate that the expense of this drug probably makes it a poor choice on a bulking cycle because of the reasonably high doses that it would require.

One of the other very interesting facts about Primobolan is that it’s one of the very few compounds available as both an oral as well as an injectable. Unlike Winstrol and Dianabol (both alkylated and non-estrified steroids) however, which are also available in both forms, Primobolan is available with an Acetate ester for use as an oral, and with an Enanthate ester as an injectable. Unfortunately, in this case, making Primobolan a non-17-alpha-alkylated steroid greatly reduces its potency. However, it must be noted that this alkylation is what makes oral steroids survive their first pass through the liver; it also makes them hepatoxic (liver –toxic). Oral Primobolan doesn’t actually have this drawback, and thus it is very mild on liver function and doesn’t elevate liver enzymes too much. Instead of the more toxic 17a-alkylation, Primobolan (Oral) uses 17 beta estrification and 1 alkylation to make it orally available. For both men as well as women, daily dosing of the oral is necessary, although men would probably want to take 100mgs per day and women would need to take at least 10mgs every day.

Although it is typically considered to be a very mild drug when inhibition of the natural hormonal profile is considered, this isn’t totally true. Men were given a 30-45mg dose of the oral version of Primobolan, experienced between a 15% and 65% decrease in their Gonadatropin levels (4). Since we’re probably looking at double or triple that dose, for men to get any kind of results, it’s also probable that gonadal inhibition will also be increased.

My history with Primobolan Enanthate (the injectable version) has been less than impressive. I used it at 200mgs/week about a decade ago, and wasn’t impressed at all. A couple of years ago I went back to it and used 350mgs/week (100mgs/Every other Day), and got much better results, but still wasn’t overly impressed with it. Add to that the fact that it is an expensive chemical, and I really wasn’t impressed.

On the Black Market, Primobolan tabs are only being produced by British Dragon currently, although PaperPrimo is being produced as well. Both are high quality products, although I would speculate that their use is going to be reserved for women. With regards to the injectable version, many underground labs produce it, and quality tends to vary, due to powder quality at the moment. Expect to pay around $100 for a 10ml bottle dosed at 100mgs/ml, if not more. Finally, ampules are available at a cost of roughly $7-12 per amp, but since this is the most widely counterfeited steroid on the black market, I’d stick to the underground lab variety.

Steroid Effectivness Chart.

This is a steroid effectivness chart.  Which ones work the best and the worst. You could start planning your cycle according to the chart.  But remember people who gain 25lbs on winstroll may not gain on dball.  Everyone is diffrent. But this is a general idea of how well each Steroid works.

 

HIGH  10
LOW    1

Trade Name Chemical Name Weight Gain Strength Gain Fat Loss Side Effects
Anadrol Oxymetholone 10 10 2 10
Anavar Oxandrolone 2 8 8 2.5
Andriol Testosterone Undecanoate 3 4 4 2
Androgel Testosterone (Crème) 3 4 3 2
Boldenone (esterless) Boldenone 5 7 5 4
Cheque Drops Mibolerone 1 5 1 6
Deca-Durabolin Nandrolone Decanoate 7 6 5 6
Durabolin          
Equipoise Boldenone Undeclynate 5 7 5 4
Halotestin Fluoxymesterone 1 6 5 6
Laurabolin Nandrolone Laurate 7 6 5 6
Masteron Drostanolone Propionate 3 6 6.5 3
Masteron Enanthate Drostanolone Enanthate 3 6 6.5 3
Methyltestosterone Methyltestosterone 2 6 4 7
Omnadren Testosterone Blend 8 8 4 6
Oral-Turinabol 4-chlorodehydro methyltestosterone        
Parabolan Trenbolone Hexahydrobencylcarbonate 5 7 8 7
Primobolan (Injectable) Methenolone Enanthate 4 6 7 1
Primobolan (oral) Methenolone Acetate 4 5 5 3
Proviron Mesterolone 2 4 4 2
Sten Testosterone Blend 8 8 4 6
Sustanon Testosterone Blend 8 8 4 6
Test 400 (T400) Testosterone Blend 8 8 4 6
Testolent Testosterone Phenylpropionate 8 8 4 6
Testosterone Cypionate Testosterone Cypionate 8 8 4 6
Testosterone Enanthate Testosterone Enanthate 8 8 4 6
Testosterone Propionate Testosterone Propionate 8 8 4 6
Testosterone Suspension Testosterone Suspension 9 8 4 6
Testoviron Testosterone Blend 8 8 4 6
Trenbolone Acetate Trenbolone Acetate 5 7 8 7.5
Trenbolone Enanthate Trenbolone Enanthate 5 7 8 7
Winstrol Stanozolol 4 6.5 7 6.5
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